Neil O'Brien and Jill Kirby discuss Tory strategy on the size of the state

Speaking on Radio 4's Westminster Hour, Neil O'Brien of Policy Exchange and Jill Kirby of the Centre for Policy Studies argue that big changes are necessary to stabilise the public finances. Jill Kirby says the Tories may need to rely upon sustained Labour failure in opposition in order to survive the unpopularity of what they will need to do on the publiuc finances front. Listen here.

Tim Montgomerie of ConservativeHome and Neil O'Brien of Policy Exchange discuss the relationship between David Cameron and the rest of the Conservative Party

Their discussion took place on Radio 4's Today programme. Listen again here.