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May 09, 2009

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michael mcgough

As far as the Euroelections are concerned he is correct.

Tony Makara

How can UKIP claim to be a pro-British party when its ideological committment to unfettered free-trade would mean opening up the British economy to sweatshop labour from the East?

Under UKIP there would be fewer British jobs for British workers and work that could be done in Britain would be done abroad because its 'cheaper'.

UKIP's ideological stance on free-trade would mean more foreign goods in British shops and more British workers on the dole.

Conservatives who are thinking of voting UKIP, even as a protest, need to understand this. Please do not waste your vote on UKIP.

Lisa Green

UKIP could come ahead of Labour in the European Elections, and if this happens Brown is toast.

David_at_Home

Tony,

Have you not noticed that the shops are already full of consumer good made in China and cloths from Asia? Britain does not really manufacture much in the way of completed consumer goods any longer though we still make a lot of cars, mostly in Japanese owned factories (Nissan, Toyota and Honda are a lot more loyal to their British workforce than many British companies).

Rolls Royce, AstraZeneca, Weirs, JCB, Johnson Matthey, Glaxo, Morgan Crucible, Rotork, IQE and GKN are nevertheless world class manufacturers based in Britain whist companies such as ARM and Ricardo design the micro chips/engines respectively found in many of the electronic devices/cars we buy. We need many more companies like these and, to be successful, such companies need to have a global footprint, unfettered by EU imposed restrictions.

Furthermore though UKIP does believe in free enterprise and fair competition, it does not have the ideological hang up you suggest. The published policy papers on Energy and Defence outline a strategy of stimulating indigenous manufacturing capability whist building much needed nuclear power plant and reequipping our armed services.

Finally, unlike the Tories, the Labour Party and the LibDems, UKIP does NOT believe in the freedom of labour within Europe (soon to include Turkey). This alone would save many “British jobs for British Workers” in the construction, services and retail industries.

Chad Noble (ex ToryBlog.com)

What a surprise, Tony talking complete rubbish.

Tony Makara

David_at_Home, Yes, it is true that Britain doesn't manufacture much these days, but thats because all the mainstream parties subscribe to the economic suicide of unfettered free-trade. As you know this allows the sweatshop economies in the East to undercut British business, and by so doing, making it impossible for British manufacturers to compete. UKIP's ideas on open free-trade would make a bad situation even worse.

On the matter of the EU, I too am opposed to the EU with its current political structure, however, I'm sure I speak for others in saying that many people would support a smaller, less political, European union with twelve Western European core member states, creating a true European internal market, ending the growing dependency on the Economic superpowers of the East.

International trade can only work when currency and wage differentials are equalized. Under the system, as it stands today, the West is hemmoraging its wealth as Dollars, Pounds and Euros are collected by the Chinese through their exports and are lent back to us and earn even more Dollars, Pounds and Euros for China as they collect interest.

This is economic suicide, but sadly not only the man in the street, but senior politicians, fail to understand that this will eventually destroy the West and empower the East.

Do we really want to see China as economic masters of the world? Do UKIP's well intentioned rank,n,file supporters want that? Because this would be a result of UKIP's and others committment to unfettered free-trade.

Henry Mayhew - ukipper

Nigel Farage is a national hero.

I am proud to support him and look forward to the election.

I am sure you are equally proud of Timothy Kirkhope and David Cameron.

David_at_Home

Tony Makara,

"Yes, it is true that Britain doesn't manufacture much these days"

I did not write that and nor do I agree with it. In fact I pointed out that we still manufacture quite a lot. We are, I think, the world’s sixth biggest manufacturing nation albeit, except for the most Japanese owned car factories, we don't assemble much in the way of completed consumer goods. Certainly we need to manufacture and export a lot more in the future. But, to export, we must be competitive. Anyway, the recent fall in the Pound has given us a window of opportunity and, since we cannot keep devaluing the Pound for ever, we must seize our chance now.

I am a professional engineer. How many of our political class are engineers, scientists, chemists, doctors or even farmers? The answer is very few in the Tories and just about zilch in the Labour Party. The task of government is not to manufacture things itself but to facilitate profitable industry by providing an environment, in terms of education, infrastructure, legal system and tax regime in which industry can thrive. The Labour Party has not done this and neither, I fear will the Cameron led Tories. Our state education system has just about given up on teaching Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry and modern languages to any reasonable level, our energy costs are too high and driven ever higher by increasingly stupid “green" policies and why on earth do we have this evil tax on jobs called employers’ “National Insurance”? On the latter point, most of the Tories keep banging on about corporation tax, but, to pay corporation tax, you must first make a profit. Employers’ NI makes it difficult to reach that happy state!

Finally, the Europe you wish for (and with which I would be happy too) is simply not on offer.

UKIP addresses most of the above (I am fighting an internal battle about employers’ NI) but the Cameroon Tories don’t even begin to understand the problem!

Tony Makara

David_at_Home, if Britain is such a great manufacturer and exporter why are our shops overflowing with Chinese manufactured goods? Where are we exporting manufactured goods to?

The figures you quote are rather like saying that Tranmere Rovers should take pride in being the third most successful football club on Merseyside, my apologies to Rovers supporters for using that example, but it just goes to show that these things are all relative.

As the British manufacturing base shrinks to below a mere 9% of our economy we can hardly make claim to be a manufacturing nation, let alone claim to be a world leader in manufacturing. A situation that a Conservative government must work to change, through removing barriers to employment such as regulation and restrictions on mergers, a special tax status for British owned manufacturers who supply the domestic market, and ending the unfair advantages that the sweatshop economies enjoy with regard to wages and currency differentials.

David_at_Home

Tony, I give up! Look at my post of 11.41. All the companies I have listed, and many more as well, still manufacture things in Britain, albeit not consumer goods. The Chairman of RR once pointed out that a Trent engine is worth its weight in gold but a car is only worth its weight in hamburgers. However, we don’t normally go to buy aero-engines from John Lewis.

That said we need to manufacture a lot more and it is the duty of government to set the scene so this can happen. New Labour were hopeless at this since they could not distinguish between creating wealth and consuming it and inflated the economy on a bubble of debt, a bubble that has now burst. Few of the Cameroon Conservatives have ever done any real work and they probably still think that the “City” creates wealth whilst the EU is a wealth destruction engine par excellence.

That is why I’m a Ukipper!

Tony Makara

David_at_Home, it is certainly true that the Labour government has measured national wealth in terms of cashflow rather than in concrete results such as investment. Labour naively count the pounds but not the effect that the pounds are apllied, NHS spending being an example from the public sector. The same applies to the private sector where wealth abounded in the City while the rest of the economy struggled. Were we, as a nation, wealthy because the City was, or appeared to be, wealthy?

I certainly agree with you that the right conditions have to exist to support manufacturing. However all the goodwill in the world won't protect British manufacturers from sweatshop wages and currency manipulation.

There are only three ways to deal with this. Creating and advantage for British manufacturers through the award of special-tax-status. Direct tariffs imposed by all Western economies on sweatshop goods or a new world currency for international trade with fixed exchange rates that can be upgraded periodically by a world central bank.

The coolie economies of the East will always be able to undercut Western business through wages and currencies, until we in the West find a way to create a level playing field. Politicians need to dump all the ideological baggage about free-trade and competition and start defending the interests of British and Western business.

Steve Tierney

@Tony Makara

The answers to all your questions and indeed to a better understanding of the nature of markets and free trade can all be found just by doing a little reading.

I recommend "The Best Book On The Market" by Eamonn Butler as a great beginners book which will help you understand why protectionism isn't the solution you seem to think it is. Once you've read that there are plenty of more advanced books which will help you expand your knowledge.

What damages British Jobs is tampering with trade by governments. Markets, allowed to operate properly, deliver the best value and prosperity for all.

Tony Makara

Steve, on a more serious note, might I suggest that those who advocate unfettered free-trade think seriously about the long term consequences for the world of a stronger China and the economic decline of the West. Something I predict with absolute certainty if the West continues to hemmorage its currencies and wealth through dependency on imports and capital investments from the East.

David

Good to hear straight-forward common sense from Farage. How refreshing in comparison with the constant guff from the LibLabCon.

Simon

No,

We vote BNP because they are the only party that gives a damn about the indigenous population and will stop the colonisation of Britain.

We're full up. End of.

David Parker

Tony Makara,

As David_at_Home rightly says, we can all think of an ideal version of the EU, but this is simply not on offer and never has been. The EU is first and foremost a political construct and only an economic one because that is also essential to the achievement of its political goals. Protectionism and the creation of "Fortress Europe" is as much an essential part of the philosophy of the EU as was communism to that of the USSR.

When the EU was conceived, the sheer size of its potential internal market made this appear to be a credible proposition, particularly in view of the immediately post war perspectives of that time. However, few of its architects could have foreseen that the advances in technology and communications would have led to a world economy, encompassing Asia, China and the Far East, not to mention the developing markets of South America, which greatly reduced the viability of economic isolation, even of a block as large as the EU.

Historically, tariff barriers have proved effective only as short term solutions to specific problems, mainly whilst parts of national economies adjust to changed circumstances.

However,like it or not, we are now part of a global economy, in which EU anti competitive practices, to quote the CAP as just one, are not only actively damaging developing nations, particularly in Africa, into which they are simultaneously pouring multi millions, by way of overseas aid, but also their own economies, by increasing the cost of living, by limiting cheaper imports and decreasing our exports due to inevitable counter tariffs.

billwestall

The only real party to offer a new hope for europe is Libertas, its the only party thats fielding candidates across all 27 EU states. Vote us in and see a real change.

billwestall

BNP, please get real. They are an unreal party.
Blacks, greens, yellows all are not acceptable.

Surely we dont want this sort of government.

billwestall

The CAP needs to be reformed, it favours a small number of wealthy farmers and big industry, lets get it stopped now and look after the little guy.

billwestall

Nigel Mirage, you must be joking, how many years in the EP, result nothing. Gives us a break, the guys a loser, you know it I know it. Another 5 years as an MEP, good money what.

billwestall

Vote Libertas, then we will see a change

billwestall

Asleep?

Jimbo

How can UKIP be the party of protest when it is the only party in recent times to have had two of its candidates, Ashley Mote and Tom Wise, arrested and convicted for fraud?

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