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November 23, 2011


Iain Gill

re "unnecessary bureaucracy" he means he wants his friends in the indian outsourcing movement to be able to act ever more like the slave traders they are without any inconvience from the poor souls who get their lifes destroyed in the process

Y Rhyfelwr Dewr

Iain, the last time I looked, our government was responsible for the UK's problem's, not India's. Let the Indian government sort out its labour problems, let the British government sort out Britain's. India ceased being in the British government's remit back in 1947.

Not that I have any faith that the British government could overhaul a Morris Marina, never mind the employment laws.

Iain Gill

on the contrary Indian and British nationals employed by Indian outsourcers in the UK and on a UK payroll come under UK law. Often most of the Indian nationals are afraid of using their rights because for one thing their right to be in this country is dependant on staying with the same employer, and bullying tactics from the Indian outsourcing employers. There have been a few victories against them in tribinal or court but they normally find a way of avoiding the day in front of a judge.

we currently have the situation where the Indian outsourcers run with significantly worse staff welfare and care and use the savings there, together with the national insurance and tax discounts they get for using foreign workers in this country (crazy but true) to undercut the native workforce.

pretty much the way Maxwell was able to use the legal system to prevent the horrors of his practises becoming open knowledge when he was alive those same techniques are alive and well with the Indian outsourcers.

Vince doesnt believe in bullying? really this takes the biscuit from someone who supports the Indian outsourcing movement and its mass bullying and inter caste racism.

Y Rhyfelwr Dewr

Look, I'm not an expert, but I find what you say rather hard to believe. Somebody working in India for an Indian firm is going to be subject to Indian law, regardless who his employer happens to sign a contract with.

Have you ever worked in a British call centre? They're hardly centres of caring and enlightenment. Why don't you concentrate your concern on them?

Iain Gill

I am talking about the employees of the Indian outsourcers who are working in the UK

Staff of companies like Infosys, Cognizant, Wipro and the rest

There are tens and tens of thousands of Indian nationals in this country working for these companies and subcontracted into other companies for less than a Brit can afford to work for

Indeed there are even more with British passports as they only have to work in this country for a few years and they are granted indefinite leave to remain and british citizenship

As are their families

All totally uncapped

And all making a mockery of the immigration promises made by Cameron which cannot possibly be met without addressing this flood of workers

Mr Angry

Does anyone really believe a word that Vince "Mr Flip Flop" Cable actually says???

Cleethorpes Rock

If he cares so much about reducing unecessary employment bureaucracy, why did he introduce the Agency Worker Regulations in their entirety?

Firms don't need to make it easier to finish people; lots of them are proving more than capable of that already. Firms need it to be made easier to take new people on so a cut in NI or an NI holiday for younger or disabled workers would be a start.

I'm also concerned that a "fire-at-will" policy will make people feel less secure in their jobs and make them draw in their horns even more. Not great for small businesses and shops.

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