Maybe the Conservatives should campaign on a realignment, to reply to Ashdowns question.
Ashdown said to go around the country fighting "Tooth and claw" for the sake of precesion not that Cameron should not. Strange Ashdown should say this as I Liberal I thought he would believe in Freedom of Expression!!!!
The country has the same old parties with AV and a different means of cobling together an election result.
Alternatively the Country stays with FPTP but leads to a realignment where some Lib Dems go off with Labour and the rest of the Lib Dems go off with the Conservatives.
And right the man is. He also said that, even if a fair referendum for A/V is lost, the LibDems will not be 'throwing the toys out of the pram', and will not be leaving the Coalition.
Your headline is misleading. What Ashdown said was that it would be unwise because Cameron could not come up with a good argument for FPTP.
He said that Camaeron would look silly, because the only argument Cameron would use is that AV might produce more coalition government, and that that would be difficult for him to argue when coalition was working so well.
He says,'What arguments are Tories going to use against AV?' meaning there aren't any.
He sounds a tad pompous saying it. There are always arguments which can be made for and against any proposition.
Here is Ashdown, a self-claimed Democrat who doesn't like the essence of democracy, that people be permitted to make the arguments for the things they believe in. He comes from the earlier age of politics, where people could be tut-tutted into complying with the wishes of the powerful. Cameron and Clegg are younger and just make agreements and keep moving. Ashdown doesn't like it as he's being left behind, tut-tutting away to himself. Do we have to keep hearing from this relic?
So it was WISE and in the national interest to cling to the hope of stitching up a last minute Lib/Lab pact deal?
Never had it been MORE important to removed Labour from office. ANY aware and patriotic politician should have known this.
Labour's bogus economic 'plans' would have driven Britain into crisis - and a minority Laberal influence would NOT have prevented this.
To push for the continuation of Labour PURELY because of ideological prejudice AND because of a perceived chance of enhanced self-interest - shows SOME Laberals up for exactly what they are, unfit for office.
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Generally speaking, doing the exact opposite of whatever Paddy Ashdown suggests is the best course.
Posted by: C H Ingoldby | July 04, 2010 at 08:15 PM
And what Pantsdown says is important of course!
Posted by: Anon | July 04, 2010 at 08:27 PM
Maybe the Conservatives should campaign on a realignment, to reply to Ashdowns question.
Ashdown said to go around the country fighting "Tooth and claw" for the sake of precesion not that Cameron should not. Strange Ashdown should say this as I Liberal I thought he would believe in Freedom of Expression!!!!
The country has the same old parties with AV and a different means of cobling together an election result.
Alternatively the Country stays with FPTP but leads to a realignment where some Lib Dems go off with Labour and the rest of the Lib Dems go off with the Conservatives.
Posted by: Andyjay | July 04, 2010 at 08:33 PM
And right the man is. He also said that, even if a fair referendum for A/V is lost, the LibDems will not be 'throwing the toys out of the pram', and will not be leaving the Coalition.
All in all ---- perfectly sensible.
Posted by: Dougf | July 04, 2010 at 09:03 PM
Errr, so ummmm I don't want you to vote for AV, but if you feel you must, well go ahead, is that OK nick?
Posted by: david1 | July 04, 2010 at 09:46 PM
Your headline is misleading. What Ashdown said was that it would be unwise because Cameron could not come up with a good argument for FPTP.
He said that Camaeron would look silly, because the only argument Cameron would use is that AV might produce more coalition government, and that that would be difficult for him to argue when coalition was working so well.
Ashdown's right of course.
Posted by: Account Deleted | July 05, 2010 at 05:00 AM
He says,'What arguments are Tories going to use against AV?' meaning there aren't any.
He sounds a tad pompous saying it. There are always arguments which can be made for and against any proposition.
Here is Ashdown, a self-claimed Democrat who doesn't like the essence of democracy, that people be permitted to make the arguments for the things they believe in. He comes from the earlier age of politics, where people could be tut-tutted into complying with the wishes of the powerful. Cameron and Clegg are younger and just make agreements and keep moving. Ashdown doesn't like it as he's being left behind, tut-tutting away to himself. Do we have to keep hearing from this relic?
Posted by: Tapestry | July 05, 2010 at 06:38 AM
Really ?
So it was WISE and in the national interest to cling to the hope of stitching up a last minute Lib/Lab pact deal?
Never had it been MORE important to removed Labour from office. ANY aware and patriotic politician should have known this.
Labour's bogus economic 'plans' would have driven Britain into crisis - and a minority Laberal influence would NOT have prevented this.
To push for the continuation of Labour PURELY because of ideological prejudice AND because of a perceived chance of enhanced self-interest - shows SOME Laberals up for exactly what they are, unfit for office.
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Posted by: Phil Kean | July 05, 2010 at 07:15 AM
If Cameron doesn't pull the finger out on AV, then I'll not be working for the Tory party in May 2011. Simples.
Posted by: GerryS | July 05, 2010 at 08:16 AM
What's Ashdown talking about? AV doesn't "produce coalitions" as a rule, it's the most Majoritarian system there is.
Posted by: Ed | July 05, 2010 at 08:57 AM
Pigs are friends of human beings
Posted by: air jordans | November 15, 2010 at 09:14 AM