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April 02, 2010

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Martin Marprelate- A Man in the Street!

I am fed up with arrogant scientists sticking there noses to political matters. I agree with the current Government banning Mephedrone as a number of young people have died as a result of this drug.

Leave the political decisions to our Elected Representatives. "Professor Brainstorm" get back to your test tubes.

AJ

I am fed up of arrogant politicians making kneejerk decisions instead of well informed scientific ones.

Have we not learnt that prohibition does not work, all it does is enable criminal gangs to exploit people and cut drugs with god knows what. It is about time we had a grown up and informed discussion in this country about the harm that drugs do/don't do and the cost to society, it clearly costs us a lot of money on policing, courts and prison would it not be better to legalise and licence all drugs?

Lets make it so they are sold by licenced people, we can then ensure that they are not cut with things like arsenic, rat poison etc. We can make sure that people who wish to take them have all the facts and if they still choose to take them what business is it of anyone else, it is not your body?

By legalising them we would immediately remove from the criminal system drug dealers (there would be nothing for them to deal) recreational drug takers who enjoy a pill or line at the weekend and who do not steal to fund their fun would also no longer need to worry, pubs, clubs and festivals would be able to save a fortune on security search costs, the police would be able to concentrate on the serious criminals.

By taxing them we would be able to raise a significant amount for the treasury (assuming they don't think it is a tax cow and start making it attractive for dealers to start up again, as they do currently with cigarettes). We would be able to devote more resources to those with serious problems with Heroin, Crack and Meth who are the minority of drug takers but seem to hit the papers the most.

Let's have a grown up debate where real statistics are used, let the scientists and members of the public get involved but let's not let politicians make knee jerk decisions based on a few headlines in the papers.

Jim

"I agree with the current Government banning Mephedrone as a number of young people have died as a result of this drug"

That's not true. Just because the newspapers report that people have died as a result of taking this substance it does not make it a fact. There are currently ZERO comfirmed deaths caused by this substance in the UK.

Ukhome43

These scientists are clearly mad. There views if allowed to be put into action would ruin the lives of many people and see many of our youngsters die before there time.
As for making these drugs legal.I think that is a misguided nonsense that would ruin the lives of many people.

Tony Makara

The Liberal approach to recreational drugs has been tried and tested, our graveyards are full of young people whose lives have been lost because the government, police and advisors have been in retreat over drugs for the last forty years.

When are we going to see real action on drugs and savage sentencing for those who not only supply, but also irresponsibly encourage the use of drugs through internet websites?

Huntmaster Tristan A

I don't care if there's no 'evidence' for mephedrone being linked to deaths or not; some people will argue that there is no 'evidence' for the existence of God!

It is a dangerous drug and it must be banned immediately. It is quite absurd and a terrible slight on Labour that fox hunting is illegal but this drug is legal.

David Galea

This harm reduction enthusiast is not a scientist.

"Eric is currently undertaking PhD level research at the Birkbeck College, University of London, exploring how socially-excluded adolescents develop resilience, in spite of their circumstances.

Past academic achievements include:

MSc. Public Service Management (Awarded with Distinction), South Bank University

Postgraduate Diploma in Management Studies, Polytechnic of Central London

M.A. (Hons.) History, University of Edinburgh"

http://www.carlinenterprises.co.uk/page3.htm

Though the rest of the ACMD hold titles such as Dr and Professor, on close inspection many of them appear to be pseudoscientists. Professor David Nutt is little different to Howard Marks, a pin-up for naive dope smoking students. When you think of science, you might think of the great men who discovered DNA or the great men and women who put man on the Moon. These ACMD fools insult the scientific method with their selfishness and stupidity. Purge academia of these morons and their evidence based lies.

Jim

I was in Thailand a couple of years ago whilst they were having a crackdown the local drug "yabba".

In the first 2 weeks the police summarily shot 350 people without trial. Thousands more were arrested and face the death penalty.

How much difference has it made to the availabilty of this drug? None at all, it is marginally more expensive though. It would be no different here if the methods were used.

Considering summary execution without trial is not a sufficient enough deterrant to prevent drug dealing what "real action on drugs and savage sentencing" are you proposing?

Martin Marprelate- A Man in the Street!

Well said David Galea. A few days ago I got an e-mail from an institution in America offering me a Degree over the internet. Intrigued I filled out their on-line form and was told that with my experience I could get an MSC or for an additional fee after a further 6 months if I did, I could buy a Doctorate. I made my excuses and left.

Now I have every respect for the genuine Degree holder who has studied long and hard and passed the relevant exams but I am sceptical about the number of people with Degrees etc totally unrelated to the matter in hand who seem to pop up as "experts" on the TV and in the media. The man in the street would think that any person stated to be an expert on such matter as Drugs would hold a qualification in Medicine, Psychology, Pharmacology etc connected to the subject but it seems that in the words of the song "it ain't necessarily so!"

Bedd Gelert

Shooting drug dealers for a fortnight will make little difference while the porous borders and open access to Europeans will just replace the missing numbers within a few weeks.

David Galea

Psychopharmacologist: the branch of pharmacology dealing with the psychological effects of drugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt

"David J. Nutt is a psychiatrist and neuropsychopharmacologist specialising in the research of drugs which affect the brain and conditions such as addiction, anxiety and sleep.[1] He is a professor at the University of Bristol heading their Psychopharmacology Unit.[2] He also holds the Edmond J Safra chair in Neuropsychopharmacology at Imperial College, London.[3] Nutt is a member of the Committee on Safety of Medicines, and is on the Council and is President of the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology.[4]"

"Professor Nutt studied medicine at the University of Cambridge, graduating in 1972 and completing his clinical training at Guy's Hospital in 1975. Before this he completed his secondary education at Colston's School, Bristol. He worked as a clinical scientist at the Radcliffe Infirmary from 1978 to 1982. From 1983 to 1985, he lectured in psychiatry at the University of Oxford. In 1986, he was the Fogarty visiting scientist at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism in Bethesda, MD, just outside of Washington, D.C. Returning to the UK in 1988, he joined the University of Bristol as director of the Psychopharmacology Unit. In 2009, he then established the Department of Neuropsychopharmacology and Molecular Imaging at Imperial College, London, taking a new chair endowed by the Edmond J Safra Philanthropic Foundation.[5] He is an editor of the Journal of Psychopharmacology.[6]"

What I find really funny is comparing this with the educational history of Howard Marks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Marks

"Marks attended the Garw Grammar School in Pontycymer, followed by Balliol College, Oxford between 1964 and 1967 to study Natural Science, Physics (B.A., Oxon). Among his friends at Balliol was the epidemiologist Julian Peto. After this he studied Physics (Grad. Inst P.) at the University of London (1967 to 1968). Then, back to Balliol, Oxford (1968 to 1969) to study History and Philosophy of Science (Dip. H.Ph. Sc.) and then on to the University of Sussex (1969 to 1970) to study Philosophy of Science."

Stewart Knight

Have we not learnt that prohibition does not work

Prohibition does work if the penalties are sufficiently harsh and adhered to. People like you want to make everything legal, then hey presto, no crime, but then back here in the real world...

Drug liberalisation has grown steadily over the years and the biggest con is how this Government has managed to make it look and sound like it has made it more illegal; they haven't.

Carlin thinks we shouldn't ban mephedrone because once it is the criminals will find another legal high to peddle...what a stupid and vacuous argument. We should keep making illegal those things that cause harm and advisor's should stick to advising and leave the laws and policy to those who have been elected to do so. Arrogant pricks like Carlin should do what they are paid to do and no more. If he had resigned because the Government was decriminalising a drug which was causing death then fine and I could understand, but to resign because the Government is criminalising a drug that causes death? What an egotistical moron that man must be.

Dontmakemelaugh  Now a Ukipper

Those that supply a significant amount of drugs and are arrested should be jailed; a further offence should incur capital punishment. Unfortunately, it is the only way that you will make those wishing to destroy lives for financial gain desist. We are fighting a losing battle and will continue to do so no matter which party is in power.

Helen

What's the point of having scientists work for any government if the government don't want to listen to their advice.

If anything, I feel that the tories should heed the advice of the professionals and not react on knee-jerk reactions spun by the press and blinkered lobbyists.

In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any drugs. We have to recognise that we don't live in a perfect world and that social engineering simply does not work. It actually has a detrimental effect.

David Galea

"What's the point of having scientists work for any government if the government don't want to listen to their advice."

Why should the government act on everything a Scientist says? There is such a thing as an idiot scientist you know! As shown above, infamous drug smuggler Howard Marks is a highly qualified scientist, should the government listen to his advice?

"If anything, I feel that the tories should heed the advice of the professionals and not react on knee-jerk reactions spun by the press and blinkered lobbyists."

These people are not professionals, they are drug pushers. What difference is there between David Nutt and Howard Marks? They both tour universities, using their prestige to influence the youthful and the stupid into taking dangerous substances and lower the tone of the entire country. Mass illegal drug use is not a scientific issue like building a bridge or sending men to the moon. It is a social issue where we see the modern slums where dope, heroin, and pills are common place. On drugs, the real professional opinions come from every day people not self important pseudo scientists. Give me one valid reason why Nutt's opinions on drugs are more important than anyone else's?

"In a perfect world, there wouldn't be any drugs. We have to recognise that we don't live in a perfect world and that social engineering simply does not work. It actually has a detrimental effect."

Real justice works. Punish the drug dealers, punish the drug users, punish the corrupt police who keep the drug culture alive. Zero tolerance does work and it has a great effect of cleaning our streets of disgusting filth.

It doesn't add up...

What is the country in Europe with the smallest drug problems? What is their policy? Drug use is a public health problem that can lead to criminality such as theft to support the habit. The UK approach of apparently severe sentences that are never enforced (and never could be, because we don't have prison space for e.g. 3 million current cannabis users for 5 years apiece), with actual sentences being less than a parking fine instead, manage to ignore the problem on every level imaginable.

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